tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31142535.post116352488920375381..comments2023-07-24T09:45:37.392-04:00Comments on Barque of Peter: The Reasonability of the Bible as the Word of GodGregoryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03982931507445593579noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31142535.post-1165523822669488912006-12-07T15:37:00.000-05:002006-12-07T15:37:00.000-05:00Hello Phillip! Thanks for visiting the Barque of ...Hello Phillip! Thanks for visiting the Barque of Peter!<BR/><BR/>Jacob has, in fact, put up your post (he tends to put up most things that aren't vulgar, even if they disagree with him). Thanks for your thoughtful post and efforts.<BR/><BR/>His anti-Catholicism certainly is distressing, and while Dave Armstrong (whom I see you're familiar with as well) refuses to engage such persons, I'm still new and have still got the patience to take them to task.<BR/><BR/>As such, I'll be building on your arguments and replying in detail to Jacob's little tirade.<BR/><BR/>I should be finished today, and may incorporate your own comments into my paper. Keep a lookout for it!<BR/><BR/>God bless,<BR/>Stop by more often!<BR/>GregoryGregoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03982931507445593579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31142535.post-1165479729130789152006-12-07T03:22:00.000-05:002006-12-07T03:22:00.000-05:00I posted a comment on Jacob's blog, and he has to ...I posted a comment on Jacob's blog, and he has to approve it to put it up. I'm wondering if he'll even put it up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31142535.post-1164126161424284282006-11-21T11:22:00.000-05:002006-11-21T11:22:00.000-05:00Thank you, Christopher.I will, however, be man eno...Thank you, Christopher.<BR/><BR/>I will, however, be man enough to admit that my response to Jacob was not always one of love, and since we are to speak that truth in love, my response, all throughout, is not entirely graceful.<BR/><BR/>It is not entirely grace<I>less</I>, either, but it is not full of grace. For that, I accept Gavin's correction, and yet thank you for your defence and encouragement.<BR/><BR/>God bless<BR/>GregoryGregoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03982931507445593579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31142535.post-1164055415398910252006-11-20T15:43:00.000-05:002006-11-20T15:43:00.000-05:00Contra Gavin, correction is always a grace. The f...Contra Gavin, correction is always a grace. The fact that Jacob is a poor historian does not require that Gregory infuse his writings with enough apologetic tact to prove gracefulness. The grace is conveyed in the truth of the statements, not the stylistic decorations of the article. It doesn't hurt to have a style that renders the truth more easily appreciated, but if that style is not there it does nothing to detract from the grace inherent in the truth of the message.<BR/><BR/>ChristopherKane Augustushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06365182037573315451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31142535.post-1163790884937878152006-11-17T14:14:00.000-05:002006-11-17T14:14:00.000-05:00Grail! Nice to see you around here still.Your poi...Grail! Nice to see you around here still.<BR/><BR/>Your points on grace are well-taken, friend. I was perhaps a bit harsh at points. However, that harshness itself was prompted (as well as the suggestion that there is no unity among believers?) by the fact that in his defence of Scripture, Jacob himself engaged in an unwarranted attack on the Catholic Church, based more on myth and presupposition than on actual historical facts.<BR/><BR/>I do in fact believe that there is much unity across the Christian world, but that there is also much disunity, as well.<BR/><BR/>I hope and pray that my apologetic ministry will indeed continue to grow in grace.<BR/><BR/>Thank you again for your wise comments.<BR/>God bless<BR/>GregoryGregoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03982931507445593579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31142535.post-1163780136817973352006-11-17T11:15:00.000-05:002006-11-17T11:15:00.000-05:00Hey Gregory,Perhaps the problem is that in your wr...Hey Gregory,<BR/>Perhaps the problem is that in your writings you have a style that does not easily demonstrate grace. There is something to be said for supporting brothers and sisters in the faith for the common goal of seeing people won to Christ. Instead this rebuttal you have posted could be construed to suggest that there is no unity between believers.<BR/>I'm not trying to bash you here, but as you grow in your apologetic ministry, your ministry will grow in grace as well.<BR/>GrailAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31142535.post-1163717907773568962006-11-16T17:58:00.000-05:002006-11-16T17:58:00.000-05:00Hidden One, I completely agree with your sentiment...Hidden One, I completely agree with your sentiments. It's one thing to claim that someone misrepresented you, but another thing to demonstrate it.<BR/><BR/>If Jacob is right, then I apologise--but since I don't know in what way I have, in fact, done this, there is no way to fix my error and further dialogue.<BR/><BR/>As it is, I believe my points speak for themselves, even without Jacob's paper. It served primarily as the jumping-off point.Gregoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03982931507445593579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31142535.post-1163715993584420912006-11-16T17:26:00.000-05:002006-11-16T17:26:00.000-05:00"The whol reason I no longer dialouge with you abo..."The whol reason I no longer dialouge with you about such things is because you chop up my statements, make assumptions about what I meant and take me out of context, and then refute what you think I'm saying."<BR/><BR/>You know, risen_soul, you could make serious progress if you went through and listed all of the spots where Gregory made innaccurate assumptions about what you meant and took you out of context. You see, then, if Gregory is arguing in bad faith, we the readers will know. And if not, he'll take the time (whenever that may occur)to fix up his response, you can have a constructive dialogue. Etiher way, you can't lose...moral support, or constructive dialogue. I know that you probably do not have to much time on your hands, but I, for one, would like to know what you really meant by your original post.<BR/><BR/>As An Aside: I think that it is a shame when disputes between Christians get personal. <BR/><BR/>Sincerely in Christ,<BR/>Hidden One.Hidden Onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06042188431683942338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31142535.post-1163631753076483682006-11-15T18:02:00.000-05:002006-11-15T18:02:00.000-05:00Well, Jacob, thanks for your harsh words.Do I have...Well, Jacob, thanks for your harsh words.<BR/><BR/>Do I have anything better to do with my time than defending the Catholic Faith? Not especially ;)<BR/><BR/>You claim that the official leaders (the hierarchy) of the Church were teaching heresy, but that the Church still existed, in another form. But there was no other form of the Church then, other than the Catholics, the Orthodox, and the multitude of heresies which <I>the hierarchy</I> combatted! If the Church wasn't the true Church, but there was a true Church, then what was that true Church?<BR/><BR/>As for chopping up your statements and taking them out of context, I don't see what you mean. All of your words are there, and while I at times took a sentence at a time, it was always with the context of your statements in view.<BR/><BR/>The fact that I nevertheless disagree with your reasoning has nothing to do with my approach.<BR/><BR/>As for making assumptions, all I have to go on are your words, and your words, I felt, spoke for themselves in certain areas. If you don't want people to make assumptions about what you meant, then be prepared to be more thorough in your self-expression.<BR/><BR/>God bless<BR/>GregoryGregoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03982931507445593579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31142535.post-1163630749785388082006-11-15T17:45:00.000-05:002006-11-15T17:45:00.000-05:00don't you have anything better to do with your tim...don't you have anything better to do with your time? The whol reason I no longer dialouge with you about such things is because you chop up my statements, make assumptions about what I meant and take me out of context, and then refute what you think I'm saying. The "so-called" church I was talking about was the higher archy that called itself the church but didn't reflect the church because of the heresies it was teaching. That doesn't mean that the true church was dead, but what was oftened paraded around as the church was not the true church. I'm not going to get into this any further, it's genuinely not worth the time.<BR/><BR/>-Jacobrisen_soulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13845841110206577271noreply@blogger.com